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Post by gaurinathan on Aug 21, 2010 13:51:37 GMT
What mostly is being called the Self or Higher Self is however still part and identical, one and equal with the human mind system (HMS) as a God-Spirit-Soul Complex (GSSC) where many today are quite unconsciously building bridges from toward the consciousness of the Sovereign Integral. That's why it is a good terminology to employ the word Self - with a capital - as all that. There is nothing divine about the Self as it is separating itself from all divinity. You are caught in a system.
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Post by seed on Aug 21, 2010 16:43:42 GMT
Yes i understand how you are using these terms....and why. I believe that James does use the term Self to represent the whole being we are.....And so everyone wants to be that Self and jumps on that and believes, yes i am that this Self the SI.......And yet who is actually living or wants to live from a perspective of wholeness? When the wholeness perspective is actually death to the self most believe they are.....Who but an idiot would run to the emptiness and stillness of the SI consciousness and the freedom it supports? [/i]
The Indian Bird
A merchant had a bird in a cage. He was going to India, the land from which the bird came, and asked him whether he could bring anything back for him. The bird asked for his freedom, but was refused. So he asked the merchant to visit a jungle in India and announce his captivity to the free birds who were there.
The merchant did so, and no sooner had he spoken than a wild bird, just like his own, fell senseless out of a tree on to the ground. The merchant thought that this must be a relative of his own bird, and felt sad that he should have caused this death.
When he got home, the bird asked him whether he had brought good news from India. ‘No,’ said the merchant, ‘I fear that my news is bad. One of your relations collapsed and fell at my feet as soon as I mentioned your captivity.'
As soon as these words were spoken, the merchant's bird collapsed and fell to the bottom of the cage.
‘The news of his kinsman's death has killed him too,' thought the merchant. Sorrowfully he picked up the bird and put it on the window-sill. At once the bird revived and flew, to a near by tree. ‘Now you know,’ he said, ‘that what you thought was disaster was in fact good news for me. And how, the message, the suggestion how to behave in order to free myself, was transmitted to me through you, my captor.'
And he flew away, free at last.
(Idries Shah from-The Way of the Sufi)
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Post by gaurinathan on Aug 26, 2010 0:05:08 GMT
Certainty
That is a beautiful story and very true to what it really, actually means to be intelligent, to what is intelligence. So what it is. It is all contained in the listening. Not listening to an instructor or any kind of life-instructor, or even human guide, but listening in itself, not that you are listening, that you are the one necessarily, but what you see when you are listening, how that observance reveal all meaning itself, through the creative spirit that is the essence of all life. That creative spirit is the single you. That is the Higher Self where certainty resides in nothingness, when you see for yourself. I wanted to say that certainty is not attained through time, process, or in-shift. Certainty is in the understanding of the event-string that is already present. It's not in the Self as the 'world' in any sense.
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Post by seed on Aug 26, 2010 22:12:08 GMT
Yes, and i mean idiot only in the sense that it seems idiotic to the dominant self/Self/S who in its insecurity fears its insignificance and so its desires run toward more power, authority, substance, influence.....So it's only when that S's vanity is slain and it has aligned with the WN or Soul that the HS can effectively lead the entity to a realization of its wholeness.
The HS speaks to me a voice i can hear, and only in response to my asking something (it never interferes)....before i heard it clearly i would read the tarot cards and use a pendulum wand to make contact with it...now it's simply a voice, a warm presence, a wise friend who's always with me.
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Post by karen on Sept 11, 2010 22:35:54 GMT
Your term ‘creative spirit’ is nice. It feels that what is possible ‘here’ within this dimension is a feeling of freedom, where anything is possible, and ‘communication’ or ‘inspiration’ or ‘understanding’ or ‘awareness’ can come in a myriad of ways. The ‘voice’ within or the ‘environment’ will speak as the reflection of ‘creative spirit’. ‘Creative Spirit’ feels to be the Divine ‘Spark’ that is accessible within each of us and It sees Itself and wants to connect in joy. It radiates and is open like a child without preconception. That ‘openness’ allows for understanding of the 'illusions' and the small self we have been living. Perhaps ‘openness’ is the same as ‘listening’?
I have this feeling of openness and if I can stay there, waves of understanding come. I do feel that I am 'caught' in illusion here but like being under water and floating to the top, if I am open I trust that clarity will continue to increase.
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Post by seed on Sept 12, 2010 0:45:20 GMT
This Higher Self that we listen to is nothing separate from us....but it seems like someone wiser when our understanding is suppressed.
I know this voice is my/our voice and it is always speaking truth to us.
It is the Beloved in duality.
It is all of us together in wholeness.
Our one voice of unconditional love.[/i]
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Post by karen on Sept 13, 2010 1:32:27 GMT
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Post by gaurinathan on Sept 13, 2010 2:27:54 GMT
Grey problem, yet have to post here...
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Post by seed on Sept 13, 2010 14:04:49 GMT
Wonderful! [/i]
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Post by karen on Sept 13, 2010 15:34:32 GMT
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